tv MSNBC Live With Kate Snow MSNBC October 25, 2016 12:00pm-1:01pm PDT
so, here's what i want you to know. in the next four years, we are going to change some things in america. right? i do want to get the economy working for everyone. not just those at the top. and we're going to do that along with other positive changes, but we are not going to change the fundamental values that made america the greatest nation in the history of the world. you know, i think it all started -- i think this all started when george washington refused to become a king, right? now, donald trump probably would have called him a loser. instead, that was one of the most important decisions any president has ever made. eight years, it's time to move on. we fought a revolution so that we would not have a king, we
would not be subjects. we would be independent citizens. i cherish that idea. so, here's the good news. americans are coming together. at the very moment when donald trump is making an unprecedented attack on our democracy, millions of people are registering, voting early and volunteering in this campaign. and here's something very exciting. we have reached a milestone. more than 200 million americans are now registered and that includes 50 million young people, the most ever in history! and you know what, more than 6 million people have already voted. and more than 1 million of them are right here in florida.
so, i think you only see numbers like this when people are standing up for what they really believe in, and that includes not just democrats but republicans and independents, coming together to reject hate and division. and i am so excited about what that means. but the energy we are seeing across florida and america is not just because of what we are against. it's about what we're for. it really is. it's about fighting for that future where everyone counts. everyone has a place and no one is left out or behind. but i want you to know, we still have a lot of work to do. i feel good, but, boy, i am not taking anything for granted. i'm going to work as hard as i can between now and the close of the election two weeks from today.
and, you know, it's so important for florida. there are so many issues that we need to remind people about. you know, last time i was here, i campaigned with al gore. he said a lot about the climate crisis. you know why? because we're seeing the reality of climate change every day in florida. we are seeing areas in miami, even on sunny days without a drop of rain, where the streets are flooding and the ocean is rising. and what we've got to do is make sure that this issue, fighting climate change, creating clean renewable energy jobs, stays at the top of the priorities. that's why you need a new senator like patrick murphy. i have to say, nobody should want to wake up on november 9th and wonder where there was more you could have done.
i hope you will wake up on november 9th, proud that you took a stand and voted for an america that belongs to all of us where we set big goals and we work together to achieve them. i got to tell you, i believe america is great because america is good. and i want to tell you one other thing, i want to say one other thing that's really very important to me. we should honor the men and women in uniform who fight for our country. that's why i was so appalled when donald trump tweeted that the new effort under way to push the terrorists out of the key city of mosul is already, and i quote him, a total disaster.
and that our country is, again, a quote, looking dumb. really? he's declaring defeat before the battle has even started. he's proving once again, he is unqualified to be commander in chief of our military. here's another example. he was asked if he could defend our allies. he said, well, first he'd want to know if they had made any payments to us to defend them. when asked specifically about israel, and he said, and i quote again, he would love to be neutral. now, we can't have a president who says he's neutral on monday, pro-israel on tuesday and who knows what on wednesday. because in his mind, everything is negotiable. i have a different view. we stand with our allies. we stand with those who will help us defeat terrorism.
so, i get pretty excited about what we could do together. with your help, we're going to make the biggest investment in new jobs since world war ii. jobs in infrastructure and advanced manufacturing and clean renewable energy. and small businesses. i want us to make america the clean energy super power of the 21st century. we can create millions of jobs and protect our planet at the same time. i've got to say, no state, no state should care more about this issue than florida, right? and, you know, i'll tell you something, it's kind of sad, to be honest with you, i've traveled all over the country. and in new jersey and massachusetts, they have more solar power than the sunshine state. why? well, because you have a
governor and a legislature who, like your current senator, doesn't want to believe the science of climate change. doesn't see the opportunity that florida has to be literally the global leader in clean energy. and so i want to deploy a half a billion more solar panels by the end of my first term. and enough clean energy to power every home in america within ten years. we're also going to strengthen education at every level, starting with pre-k, working with our teachers to make sure every child has a good school with good teachers in every zip code. and here's what i want all the students to hear. we're going to make college more affordable for everyone! [ cheers and applause ] you know, after our primary,
which was hard-fought, and i was proud of the primary we ran, because it was about issues. senator sanders and i got together, came up with a plan to make public colleges and universities tuition-free for any families making less than $125,000 a year that's the vast majority of families. if you're over that, we'll make it debt-free. pay what you can afford, but i don't want to see young people and their families going into debt. i view this as an investment. and that's why we're going to make it easier to -- for you to afford to pay back your college debt. pay it down and pay it off. and i also want more pathways to good jobs that don't require a four-year college degree. let's return technical education to high schools. let's do more with our community colleges. let's have more apprenticeship programs so that everybody has a chance at a good job.
>> you're listening to hillary clinton live in coconut creek, florida. i am katy tur in for kate snow today. you just heard her talking about education. a moment ago she was addressing the senate race in florida, talking up democrat patrick murphy, country congressman, who is running against marco rubio in a tight senate race out there. saying that nobody should wake up on november 9th and wonder if there's more that could have been done and that they deserve a senator who believes in climate change. i want to get directly to kasie hunt, who is at that rally right now. kasie, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the democrats just recently redirect funding away from patrick murphy to more competitive races throughout the country? to see hillary clinton campaigning for him right now here in florida, what does that say? >> reporter: look, i think there were some democrats in the state of florida who were frustrated
by the senate's campaign committee to pull out of florida, that might have been premature, but a lot of democrats don't think patrick murphy has been the gatt of their senate candidates this time around. marco rubio has looked pretty strong as the incumbent. the feeling was that whatever wave was coming with hillary clinton would have to be very strong here in florida to pull patrick murphy over the edge. florida is an incredibly expensive state to advertise in. the idea is, you probably don't actually need this seat if you're the democrats to take back the senate. your money's probably better spent elsewhere. but the reality is, as these polls have stayed as wide as they are, and hillary clinton's lead seems to be more durable, we're starting to have a conversation about all of these red states, quite frankly, arizona, utah, georgia, some people are pointing to polls in texas that show this kind of unsettled environment for
republicans in places where they should be really strong. there's a sense that that might be affecting florida more than anybody thought. now, it would have to be, like i said, significant to jeopardy marco rubio's chances of re-election. and patrick murphy has struggled in some ways. he struggled on the debate stage most recently. that seemed to -- the decision to pull the money out was announced the day after that debate, although sources tell us it wasn't necessarily predicated on that but hillary clinton taking a step out in favor of patrick murphy, it shows yet another sign of confidenc from the clinton campaign. it shows they're not afraid to put her out there on his behalf, even if he doesn't pull out this race. it also says this was the very top of her remarks here in florida. it tells you that their focus really is now on these down-ballot races, on trying to win back the senate. that means, quite frankly, they're not as worried about her chances. and i think there's a posture of confidence on the part of the
clinton campaign that it would take quite a bit to derail her chances of winning this election in the course of the next two weeks. >> kasie, andrea mitchell just confirmed that colin powell will be voting for hillary clinton. he was the secretary of state for george w. bush. he did, though, endorse president obama. what is the significance of him coming out right now and saying that, yes, he will be voting for hillary clinton two weeks before the elections? >> reporter: well, i think there is kind of a growing sense that it's getting harder and harder for republicans of colin powell's stripe to defend donald trump. you've seen fewer and fewer of them doing it in public. i certainly have been on the receiving end of a lot more private grumbling and concern about donald trump. and i think at this point it really does feel like she's on a glide path to this election. and i think that's part of it, too, because a lot of these
republicans are now starting to make calculations, okay, how am i going to work with a president hillary clinton if this is actually what comes to pass? they're worried about putting the republican party back together but also saying, okay, what happens next? that's a different focus than what's going to -- you know, what's happening right now in the waning weeks of this election. >> road warrior kasie hunt at a very loud rally in coconut grove. thank you so much. we want to turn right now to the trump campaign. my colleague jacob is in sanford, florida, where we are right now at a hangar awaiting donald trump who will take the stage there any moment. between the two of us, we've attended nearly every trump event for the past 17 months. two weeks to go now. do donald trump supporters believe, though, he's been able to successfully focus on policy and the issues that matter to them? >> reporter: i would say while the overwhelming amount of trump supporters we talked to say they
disregard the polls, he'll win some way, some how, an increasing number of them will admit, particularly when you put down the camera and microphone and talk more in depth to them privately that they're disappointed on some level with how donald trump has conducted his campaign. i found it almost startling the number of supporters i've talked to who will concede that in some way or another, whether it's we wish he would not get up at 3:00 in the morning and do those tweets and we wish he would not take, in their words, the bait of the clinton campaign. an increasing percentage of them. i would say a solid 30% of them will say something to that effect. today we talked to a lot of the supporters today about the polls themselves because so many of them show him so behind. here's a clip of what some of them said. what do you make of this state of the race? it appears he's down a lot. >> it's a joke and i don't believe it. i turn this country around. we got to do it now. >> people think that women are
for hillary because it's a sex thing. that is the biggest, biased report that the media is guilty of. >> reporter: the polls show it. >> no. the polls are not accurate. they're not accurate. i am in the women's group. she is in the women's -- all of our friend are women. we don't have one woman voting for hillary. so, we're like, who are are they asking? what women are they asking? >> polls? you interview people, you interview 1,000 people, mazel tov as my jewish brothers say, big deal. >> our country is important. we have to have our country number one. we can't talk about these petty things they're talking about. we have serious issues. >> reporter: so, the poll of anecdote of friends and family, that's far more important to so many of them. very interesting, the first person we talked to said, this is a joke, we're going to turn our country around. after we turned off the camera, he said he was worried that
donald trump was going to lose and he didn't know what to do for his grandchildren. there's a good example of while many of them are confident in front of the camera, when you approach them, many of them will admit, they're worried. >> gentleman cob rascon across town in sanford, florida. thank you very much. i want to do a little analysis with my clooelg colleague bengie. i don't know if you were listening to that soubd from jacja sound from jacob, so many of them are denying the reality of the polls, they're saying donald trump must be ahead, what do you make of this reality we live in right now where there's just, frankly, a denial of reality? >> there's a lot of different things going on contributing to this. for one, late in an election when one side is losing it's not uncommon for people to convince themselves or in another way, we saw this happen in 2012 with mitt romney, but what's different is you have the nominee himself not just saying
the polls are wrong but that it fits into this grand conspiracy to somehow stop him from winning and may possibly also involve involve stealing the election in other ways. that filters down. people want to believe politicians they trust, they're rooting for, they think of credibility. so, i'd say this is a more pronounced problem than it has been in past elections, katy. >> there's been a real change in ton over the past couple of months. donald trump has singled out the press, been very antagonistic. he did it more in a jocular way in the beginning. now it turns to a more darker, fringe tactics, conspiracy theory. i want to listen to what rudy giuliani said this morning about hillary clinton. he was referencing about the fact that he didn't smile at all during her jokes. listen to this and we'll talk on the other side. >> i've only been to the waldorf astoria once. what is it like on the day mrs. clinton opens fire and you can't -- you can't retort.
what was rudy giuliani thinking in retort in were you -- >> she's phoney. >> were you going to take out a pair of handcuffs and hold them up at that point? >> well, i was u.s. attorney and assistant u.s. attorney for too many years to laugh at mrs. clinton. when i see her, i see her in an orange jumpsuit. i'm sorry. or at least a striped one. that's -- you know, i'd have prosecuted her a year ago and probably convicted her by now. >> and donald trump says he's going to put her in jail. he's going to investigate the investigation that fbi director james comey did into her private e-mail. who is shaping this message for donald trump and what do they stand to benefit from it? >> it's a two-way street here. on the one hand, donald trump is shaping his message and his supporters are hearing it, but donald trump supporters also reflect things back to him. a good example is the lock them up chants going on at rally rallies. trump has been hearing the entire time from his supporters
that hillary clinton is a criminal, she has to go to jail. as things have progressed more in the campaign, donald trump has started to more explicitly talk about this idea. it was only relatively recently that he started actually saying, you know, not only yes to your lock her up chant but also, i would personally start engineering a situation that would end with hillary clinton in jail, which is pretty -- pretty shocking dark turn for an american election, which usually does not include threats to jail one opponent's. >> i want to play you a short bit of sound from 2008. donald trump talking about the elections in 2008. a couple days after it happened. he's speaking glowingly of hillary clinton. take a listen to him back in 2008. >> well, i think her history is far from being over. i'd like to answer that question in another 15 years from now. i think she'll go down at a minimum as a great senator. i think she is a great wife to a president. and i think bill clinton was a great president.
you know, you look at the country then, the economy was doing great. look at what happened during the clinton years. i mean, we had no war. the economy was doing great. everybody was happy. a lot of people hated him because they were jealous as hell. >> it is a massive change in tone between that donald trump and the donald trump we see right now. is it just politics as usual to hear him come out and now go after hillary clinton so strongly, or does he have an argument to make that he really changed his position after she was secretary of state? >> well, this is a really interesting angle in that it came up from some of the earliest days of the republican primary, which is republican rivals would say, hey, he's running as a republican now but he said all these nice things about hillary clinton, about bill clinton, he donated to the clinton foundation. and trump's answer was, you bet i did all those things but it was just for influence. i got hillary clinton to come to my wedding, things like that. when i called up, democrats
would pick up the phone because i was so good to them, publicly at least. that's all past. now i'm working for you. trump has been attacked on this before for being insincere. he's managed to find a way for his supporters to turn it into a positive. like he's the former inside operator who now knows the system because of it. >> thank you so much for joining us. you're looking right now live -- thank you -- at a tarmac about four miles from here in sanford, florida, where any minute donald trump is expected to take the stage for a campaign rally. after the break, i'll be joined by a clinton supporter, democratic senator from wisconsin, tammy baldwin. tonight is veep night on msnbc. at 7:00 the real vice president, joe biden plays "hardball" with chris matthews. at 9:00 democratic candidate tim kaine sits down with rachel maddow. at 11:00, republican vice
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this election is going to be about obamacare. it's going to be about jobs. it's going to be about a lot of things, but obamacare is just blowing up and even the white house, our president announced 25% or 26%. that number is so wrong. that is such a phoney number. you're talking about 60, 70, 80% in increases, not 25%. obamacare has to be repealed and replaced and has to be replaced with something much less expensive. >> that was donald trump a little bit earlier in florida today saying this election is going to be all about obamacare. let's talk a little about obamacare and the new changes. he was referencing that new report out showing premiums for
midlevel plans will rise on average of 22% between 2016 and 2017. for more on that, i want to bring in senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin, who's supporting hillary clinton for president. first off, i want to know, are you supportive of the affordable care act as it stands right now? and if so, what is your response to this rate hike? >> so, i voted in favor of the affordable care act and think it is helping insure over 20 million americans, including 225,000 wisconsinites. that said, it has revealed some unintended consequences that we have to work in a bipartisan manner to fix. i am appalled to hear somebody like donald trump saying that repealing it and leaving 20 million americans without health insurance and getting rid of all
the safeguards that were put in place that prohibit insurance companies from kick people off when they get sick or refusing to insure them because they have a preexisting health condition, the annual limits and lifetime limits on coverage that left people in bankruptcy if they were ill or had an unfortunate injury. the free preventive care that have kept people in better health than before. the provision that allows young people to stay on their parents' insurance until their 26. not only are we talking about the 20 million people enrolled in the affordable care act, we're also talking about very detrimental impacts on seniors, women, young people, and those with preexisting conditions if it were repealed. we have to work together to address the issues. i do know about the statistics in wisconsin. yes, the increase in the folks
who enroll through healthcare.gov will be about 16%. i want to remind people that in our state, nearly 70% of the participants receive the tax credit that brings their premiums under $100 a month. so, yes, we have to fix some things that aren't working, but, boy, we have to keep it. it would be a disaster not to borrow donald trump's word, but it would be a disaster for over 20 million americans who would lose their coverage. >> you know, tammy, gop operatives believe this is an issue that can really help donald trump gain his footing bs if not help him get into the white house and certainly help down-ballot republicans out there. it's a rallying cry. they're often using former president bill clinton calling aspects of this plan crazy. we heard that at donald trump's rally last night. they use it to gain enthusiasm with their supporters. it's hard not to see these
things through the lens of the 2016 election. is there concern that it's going to be taken out of context and used against down-ballot democrats in order to secure and keep -- i guess, hold the senate? >> first of all, commenting on donald trump and his statements to the media earlier today, it's really clear that he doesn't understand the affordable care act. he doesn't understand obamacare. he completely gaffed when he talked about his employees and how they're being impacted by it and then had to correct himself saying his trump golf course employees had employer-provided insurance. i mean, it's very clear he doesn't even understand how it works. so, what is so clear, though, is how many people have benefitted and yet there are still issues that need to be resolved. we've got to work together. stronger together, as hillary clinton says. we have got to work together to
address these issues. we've got to get more competition to bring down prices. we've got to go after those pharmaceutical companies that are increasing prices of life-savg and life-extending drugs without justification and no transparency. there's a lot we have to do but we've got to do it together. >> wisconsin senator tammy baldwin, thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> thank you. joining me now, i want to continue the analysis with our next guess, terry sullivan, who is marco rubio's former campaign manager and partner at firehouse strategies. thank you for joining me. first off i wanted to know, are you going to be voting for donald trump? >> you know, that's a real tough thing to do. i live in washington, d.c., so my vote doesn't matter on that race. but, you know -- >> saying your vote doesn't matter, though, are you going to vote for donald trump?
>> i can't do that. i'm not going to. i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton. we're faced with two awful, awful choices as candidates for our presidency. >> the cook report this morning said it expects democrats to gain control of the senate, potentially picking up five to seven seats. marco rubio is in a much tighter race than he expected with patrick murphy. i noticed he's not campaigning with donald trump today, even though hillary clinton is campaigning on behalf and with patrick murphy. why is he not standing behind -- or beside the top of the ticket? >> look, he's running his own race and he's doing a good job at it. he's outperforming donald trump in every single poll that's come out by a significant margin. marco will be able to win there. patrick murphy has his own challenges and lots of problems as a candidate. even hillary clinton will not be able to drag him across the finish line. >> so, if donald trump doesn't win, what happens to the
republican party -- or what do you think should be happening to the republican party? >> there's going to be a time of int introspection. let's not forget, hillary clinton will likely w the election as the most unpopular candidate in modern history. no over candidate has had as high unfavorables and won since they started polling for favorite ability for candidates. i think there's still a shot to hang onto the u.s. senate. we'll have control of the house with speaker ryan. i think that, you know, we go back and start rebuilding the party in a forward-looking way and hopefully put donald trump behind us and he goes back to just being a reality tv star. >> you know, terry, even though you're not going to be voting for him, there's still a large section of the republican electorate that does believe in donald trump and believes everything is rigged against them, the system -- people like you don't want him in because you're just protecting your
special interests. does the republican party have a chance of finding a way to reconnect with those voters or is this a situation where they just have to cut the bait with those voters and move more towards the center, get rid of social issues and start talking about fiscal conservativism, being a little more moderate and trying to find a way to lure over democrats who haven't been so excited about where their party has stood? >> look, 50% of democrats in the primary process, maybe more than 50%, supported a proud socialist inthy primary nomination process. now, hillary clinton and deb judge wauserman schultz found a way to circumvent the process but at the end of the day, nearly half of the democrats supported a socialist. look, the majority of republican party right now isn't so much supporting donald trump as it is opposing hillary clinton. you see that out of both candidates. there is a lot more opposition for the other side than there is
support for your own. >> majority of republicans aren't necessarily just antagonistic toward hillary clinton. you see a lot of excitement and enthusiasm for donald trump and a lot of belief that he's right, the system is rigged, that politicians don't represent them. my question is, is this the republican voter that you are familiar with or has the republican party just grown so out of touch with their base that there's no way -- or do they even want to at this point find a way to reconnect with these voters? >> i go become to that is not an mesh or democratic feeling. it's an american system that the system was rigged against them. they were told by obamacare that this would solve all of their health care problems. it's now costing a tremendous amount more money. and has become a real problem. across the board, it's an american feeling right now. voters are disenchanted with the process. never before has the distrust in government been this level.
gallup polling recently that has -- not only in government, in elected officials but in the news media. there's a deep unhappiness in america today that goes across political parties and so i think this is an american problem. it's not a republican or democratic problem. it's an american problem. >> you have charlie sykes, conservative talk show radio host, who says conservative talk shows bear some of the blame for convincing voters that there is nobody to be trusted that's in the media, including them. they basically laid the groundwork for the trump voter to say, i'm not going to believe any of the facts presented in front of me. does the republican party, though, not have a bit of reckoning to do, soul-searching to find out what they did in order to contribute to a candidate like donald trump as it looks at this moment stands to lose by a wide margin in a lot of swing states? >> sure. look, every national party when they lose a presidential
election has soul-searching to do. it's what they do. it's how you get back to -- >> this is a little bit different. this is different than john mccain losing to president obama in 2008. it's a little different than mitt romney losing and doing some soul-searching. >> look, donald trump is a little different, i agree with that. again, every time a party loses, they are soul-searching. to your point, yes, there will be that this time. the democratic party will have that as well. you see that with these wikileaks e-mail leaks that -- from hillary clinton. i mean, she has total disdain for the base of her party. this is -- again, this is a problem the democrat face just as much as republicans, a divided party. and you've got a nominee in their party who doesn't really care for the base of their party and calls the -- calls them duffuses. >> terry sullivan, former campaign manager for marco rubio, thank you for joining me. we're watching the tarmac at the airport in sanford, florida,
where any minute we'll be hearing from donald trump. coming up, though, the cost of health care insurance under the affordable care act is expected to jump an average of almost 25% next year. but few people are likely to pay the full increase. after the break, our own ali velshi joins me to explain. bere taking his team to state r the fitime... gilman: go get it, marcus. go get it. .coach gilman us his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to ear1% cash back erywhere, every time. at places like the batting cages. ♪ crowcheers ] back at groce stores and no. and back on gas. which help him give his players something extra. e cashewar credit rd fr bk of america. mo c for ththou buyost. [dance music playing] [music sto] womanlooklike it's done. [whistle][dce mus playing]
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not believe has given him the full support he needs. he also says democrats would pass legislation -- or he would try to work with democrats to pass legislation. meanwhile, though, as we mentioned, a new government report shows obamacare premiums are on the rise and, of course, it's already becoming a big issue on the campaign trail. to help us break it all down now, i want to bring in msnbc anchor and correspondent ali velshi, who i literally almost ran over in the hall running to a live shot the other day. i'm sorry about that. >> no problem. >> ali, what type of increases are we looking at here? >> well, you know, donald trump's going to talk about this as well. we're talking about an average -- what's called a weighted average which compares what kind of plans everybody has. the average will increase it 22%. they use the silver plan, which is the second to lowest plan as the benchmark. it's going to cost $5,586 for the average family in 2017. now, back in 2009, when the congressional budget office, which is a nonpartisan group
that looks at all the bills, they predicted that in 2017 the price would be $5,538, so it's really almost exactly where the predictions were. the issue is that in the first couple of years, we simply didn't see the increases the way we expected. now, let me show you some more detail about this. you'll see that it varies depending on where you are and how many insurers. arizona, the largest increase in the country, 116%. you'll see these kind of increases in places where you're seeing fewer insurers in the area. in indiana you're actually seeing a decrease in prices of about 3%. now, keep in mind, that average-weighted price i just gave you, over $5,000, that's unsubsidized. the obama administration makes a point saying most people, 70% of all people, in fact, 85% of all people qualify for some sort of subsidy but more than 72% of people qualify for a plan as low
as $75 a month. it's not the silver plan. it's a very basic plan. and 77% of people qualify for a plan that's as low as or lower than $100 a month. so, the average increase can be a little misleading. based on that weighted average, it's going to be about a 22% increase, katy. >> ali, in addition to arizona, what other states will see major increases? >> some other ones that will see major increases are ones where major insurers have pulled out. nobody's anywhere close to as high as arizona. but oklahoma is going to see an increase of 69% in average weighted premiums. tennessee is going to be an increase of 63%. in average weighted premiums. like we said, a lot of states where premiums will be in low single digits but these are the outliers. if you live in these outliers, this is pretty serious for you. >> ali velshi, watch your back in the halls. every man and woman here for themselves.
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welcome back to florida. you can see on the left-hand side of your screen, donald trump is just arrived to sanford, florida, on the tarmac there, about to hold a campaign rally. while we await him to take stage, we want to talk more about utah. another suddenly swing state as it may shift away from the long-held norm of voting republican. utah last went to the democrats back in 1964 when lyndon johnson beat barry goldwater. now newcomer, evan mcmullin, running as an independent is shaking things up.
a real clear politics average of polls show mcmullin as a real threat, trailing trump by just five points. chris jansing joins me now from the only open polling site in all of salt lake city. chris, what is going on in utah that is now making it a potential swing state? >> reporter: that's the question everybody is asking. in a nutshell, you have a large mormon population, about two-thirds. they're feeling very uncomfortable with the things donald trump has had to say. in fact, much of the republican mormon leadership has gone away from him. and so, where do you go? do you go to hillary clinton, who they don't like her social issues necessarily, things like abortion? is there a third-party candidate, someone from here, like evan mcmullin, who has a business degree from aan ivy league college? this has been an incredible battleground utah, something we never expected. katy? >> chris, thank you so much. we're going to go right now to
donald trump, who's just taken the stage in sanford, florida. we'll find out how much he focuses on obamacare, which republican operatives want him to focus on. of course, florida is a must-win state for donald trump. take a listen. >> in 14 days we're going to win the state of florida. we're going to win back the white house. we are going to win florida. and, by the way, the lines at the voting booths are record. and i noticed that a lot of the people on lines, you see the pictures, they're wearing the red hat, the white hat, this hat, they're wearing -- they're wearing buttons all over the place. i think those are people inclined to vote for us. do you agree? so, this was supposed to be a rally in that hangar. and after the first hour, they
realized that wasn't going to work too well. that's fantastic. thank you, everybody. look at that. we're going to have a big victory. the lines are this is a big, big vote in the state of florida. we are leading iowa, we are leading ohio. we are doing great in north carolina. pennsylvania we are going to a lot. i think we will do great there. they put the miners out of work and we will put them back to work. we will do great there. 75% of the american people think our country is on the wrong track. every poll says it. we are going to fix it and we are going to get our country
back on the right track very, very quickly. and together we are going to deliver real change that once again puts america first. this repeals and replaceless the disaster known as obamacare. my first day in congress i will get rid of this disastrous law and replaceing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability. you will have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost and it's going to be so
easy. you will experience another massive hike. they said 25%, but it's going to be 60, 70, 80, 90% in the great state of arizona, it's over 100%. it is crazy. in five americans trapped in obamacare will only have a single insurer to negotiate in your state. congratulations. lots of fun. you will have to brush up on your negotiation ability. believe me. even bill clinton admitted ob a obamacare is the craziest thing in the world where premiums are doubled and coverage cut in half. he was forced to take it back because that night he suffered greatly.
he suffered because hillary clinton wants to double up and triple up on obamacare. the numbers go through the roof. your taxes will double and triple and in the end it's not affordable. you can't do it. the democratic governor of minnesota said the affordable act, remember this, the affordable care act is no longer affordable. he doesn't know what to do, but it couldn't have worked in a million years. insurers are leaving and companies are fleeing and putting your companies out of business and putting your small businesses out of business. and hillary clinton -- here's another thing we can say. i will repeal it and replace it. she is going to expand it and it will get more and more expensive. it's no good because the deductibles are so high, unless you have a really long-term serious problem at the highest
level, you are never going to be able to use it, folks. hillary clinton wants to double down on obamacare and make it worse. she wants to put the government totally in charge of your health care despite the fact that it's no good. it will be much more expensive than even today. stopping the take over is one of the sing et most important reasons that we must win on november 8th. this is a big crowd, by the way. a lot of people. that's a lot of people.
>> you listen to this phony media. i get a call an hour ago and they said we have a problem. here we go. what is it? they said this. i laughed. they said the people don't fit into the hangar. that's a good problem, isn't it? change has to come from outside our corrupt system. the fact that the washington establishment has tried so hard to stop our campaign which is actually a movement. this is a movement, folks. this is the last time we are going to have a chance. four years. it's over. in four years, you don't have a chance. all these characters that want to run in four years, they can forget. they are wasting their time. you don't have even a little bit of a chance. this is it. we are really close.
we are going to win florida. by the way -- no, no. these guys won't tell you that because they don't want to hear about it. when they interview -- these are the most corrupt people. when they interview the people standing on the lines and they say trump, trump, trump, trump. they say all right, let's get out of here. this is bad news. these are the most dishonest -- almost as dishonest as crooked hillary. i love the pink signs. women for trump. i love these signs. blacks for trump. i like those signs.
blacks for trump. you watch. you watch. those signs are great. thank you. it's going to be a lot of brexit happening in about two weeks. a lot of brexit. everybody went to bed and said gee, it's not going to happen. i said it's not going to happen. they criticized me. can you believe this guy? just like crooked hillary. he had a rally and the rallies last for about 15 minutes and very few people. she talked about how we want peace at our rallies and this and that. she hired thugs to go into my rallies. 1500 people. listen to this. $1500 and an iphone to go in the rally and beat people up.
go into the rallies and beat people up. you remember in pennsylvania and different places in chicago. remember that one where they were fighting. they found out our people are not so easy to beat up. that's for sure. you remember they went in and there was a policeman with blood pouring down his face and another with a badly garbed face. this was all thugs put in there. i listen to her talking about peace at the rallies. she shouldn't be allowed to run for president with what she has done. i you right now. >> donald trump saying this is the beginning of part of his speech and moving on off prompter talking about getting a lot of brexit, assuming he is
going to have a surprise win in november. on obamacare, donald trump has been talking about how the premiums are going to be much higher than they even say. the rise will be higher than 25% and saying wait and see. he said he has been against obamacare from the very beginning from his earliest rallies. i can tell you that i have been at all of the rallies pretty much and back in july 2015, he did talk about how he needs to fix obamacare and said that universal health care although it is not popular with voters in something that is necessary for people for this country to take care of its people. changing his tune a little bit as the campaign has gone on to more stringent terms repealing and replacing obamacare and not saying with what as of now. that wraps up this hour of msnbc
live from stanford, florida. thank you so much for joining me. kate snow will be back at 3:00 p.m. eastern. up next, my colleague picks up the coverage. hey there, steve. >> thanks for that and good afternoon live here in new york. here we are. 14 days and counting now until election day. two weeks away topping our agenda right now. florida, florida, florida. both candidates barn storming the sunshine state. donald trump as saw is speaking right now. hillary clinton urged voters to make what she said is aar choice. >> this is a cross roads election that is going to determine so much about what kind of country we have in the decades ahead. i want to wake up in the white house with your help. >> in florida the stakes could not be higher for donald trump. this is a must